Public Library Social Work - Elissa Hardy, LCSW
Public Library Social Work - Elissa Hardy, LCSW
2019, Shimon Cohen
Doin' The Work: Frontline Stories of Social Change
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[0:29] And this episode I talked with Elissa Hardy who is the community resource manager at the Denver Public Library in Denver Colorado Elissa details the evolution of Library social work
how social workers and pure Navigators work with Librarians to serve diverse populations across 26 total locations
we discuss the work Elissa and her team carry out providing Social Work services to library customers experiencing a range of issues such as homelessness immigration and Refugee status gentrification
access to benefits mental health re-entry from incarceration and much more
Elissa explains how our team has been able to intervene with people struggling with addiction specifically opioid use and how they have stopped over 23 overdoses
she also shares her story of how she got into this work I hope you enjoy the conversation.
[1:23] Hi Elissa thanks so much for coming on the podcast really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me about the work you do and just to get things started could you let the listeners know what you currently do.
[1:36] Yeah absolutely thanks for having me I am the community resource manager at the Denver Public Library and basically what that means is a supervised and managed the social work and peer Navigator program in our library.
[1:49] So that's really interesting that there is social work in a library I've heard a little bit about this but I do think a lot of people
social workers people who are involved in human services and he misses kind of a newer aspect of Social Work
so maybe you could just talk about me there so many things I want to talk with you about but just to start off
maybe cuz talk about like what it would look like to someone walking into the library who maybe is in need of services and what that person looks like
and then how your team approaches. Person to provide services absolutely
so we work with any customer in a Community member experiencing any adverse life challenge which can be any of us
and I people come into the library for many reasons
weather that you know to look for research or to find a book or come to Story Time with their kids or it might be because you need to figure out how to get on SNAP benefits
or you're looking to access health care or mental health care and you're coming to the library to find those resources or maybe the library is that one place where you can come inside during the day because you don't have a home.
[3:07] And so we you know the libraries are open to everybody
we are free and equal access for all you don't have to have a library card you don't have to have an ID or anything to walk into the library and spend time there.
[3:20] So lots of people who are looking for services or just a place to be come in and and spend time in the library
and so our she and connect with people who might be having those challenges and are looking for resources to help support them in
they're looking for so they might be cold drop-in hours during the day at most of our locations and so people can ask the librarian or a security guard or whoever it might be
what are their peers about how do I how do I talk to about this
and they direct them to our drop-in hours to come in and talks with your Navigator or a social worker during that time to look into those resources and get connected and build relationship other times like today for example in Denver it was really really snowy
we had a lot of people who are just basically coming in to get out of the weather and so one of the true Navigators took a basket of socks and hand warmers and granola bars and water bottles
and walks around up and down through the whole Library over and over and offered these things to people and made in Dutch know their names and build those relationships too and then you know just shared with those people what
we do and how we can help connect people to resources and often times that's how we how people get connected to us as well.
[4:38] Sometimes people are just coming in to get out of the elements you know just for a you know a controlled environment to use the restroom to read the books to get on Wi-Fi
get on the computer and not even knowing where they are
and then Wednesday start talking to one of someone on our team that gets to know that or they might ask again the librarian
or security guard a question and they they direct people to us that way
sounds like there's just so many different aspects about what you do and you address one of the things I was going to ask you about it's kind of like how the word gets out about this but that's such a great example of Outreach within the library itself
how long is the program been around 4 so I started exactly four years ago this month so exactly 4 years ago when I was hired they started the pro
and what what's it been what was it like to come into a library as a social worker I mean in in build up this program can you kind of talk about the evolution of the program
I was kind of looking for a different job I was actually driving to the mountains for work everyday and I live close to downtown and I was looking for something back in the downtown area and working with the homeless population because that's.
[5:51] Where my heart is
and my friend shared with me to this job description and I you know I did a little research found out that they had a social work program in the library in San Francisco and she had some great articles written about what they were doing out there
and so I applied and I got it not having any idea what this meant
what it would look like just recognizing that the reason the library wanted to create this this position was to really address
homelessness in an people experiencing homelessness coming into the library mostly because the Librarians recognize that they didn't know all the resources and didn't really know how to best serve that population
and I think that's really easy that's really kind of where most libraries start with these types of programs is looking at a weed dressed the homeless population
and really what it what it comes down to then the evolution of this is really coming in and bringing social work and librarianship together
to meet all of the needs in our community libraries do a really good job at finding what those social needs and gaps are in and working shoes to fill those but it has to collections like certain books.
[7:01] And such things like that or programming
we have makerspaces all of these things whatever that Unity might need and we're in we can come in with this social work lens and even look at it a little bit more and definitely
and see what those needs are
so what we work downtown areas we work with a lot of people most of the people we work with are experiencing homelessness or are there marginally house
we now have some Services out into the branches we have 26 total locations
your mother we still experience you know come across people experiencing homelessness out there A lot of times it's more of you know people who are living in their cars
and or families who were staying with family members and such so maybe not so much staying outside but are still not actually house they're just just staying with other people just trying to stay off the streets
let me see a lot of that going on in addition
you know what is Denver's growing and gentrifying and in people are getting pushed out of their neighborhoods were seeing a lot of issues with that I'm including people getting pushed out of their housing that they lived in for
forever years and facing homelessness for the first time in our lives at like 60 70 80 years old.
[8:15] And you know also just a lot of racial disparities in those kinds of things as well
so coming again that again in with that social work lens looking at these different social injustice issues and being able to help inform the libraries
and best practices in ways to address this and recognizing that there are disparities in treatment and
just how her approaching things differently in each location as well that that we need to look at and an address in with that
looking at you know not only treating at programming within the library but what Partners can we bring in just to support those groups as well because there are a lot of nonprofits and other social service agencies we work with you to bring in services
into the library where people already are so do a lot of that so the program has grown over the in those regards over the last 4 years
in addition we've added three other social work positions
one of those social workers really covers are peppers or downtown area the other one she's on the west side and she also supports are immigrant and Refugee programming and then the other one on the east side and she covers a lot of our our children and family stuff that comes up
and we were able to create a really successful career Navigator program as well so we have secure Navigators on our team
and these are people with lived experience from anything from having experience homelessness to substance use issues living with a mental health diagnosis.
[9:44] Being an immigrant or from a family who immigrated here you know just different life experiences because we're trying to match people with the with the customers were working with to build those relationships
and make those connections it's just incredibly impressive what you're talkin about in
you know I think about the library a public library in the sense of and what you're saying is like it's really converting this public space into this kind of like one stop
no I don't want to say One Stop Shop but kind of like this Clinic where people can come in and then get Services there but then get linked to services in the community and it really just makes sense.
[10:24] How is how was it received
from the libraries perspective at first like how is this kind of been received and the beginning and then of course where things are at now
yeah it has been an interesting ride clearly we had some buying before we created Big Freedia in my position otherwise this wouldn't have even happened and that start with x
a group of librarians that formed a committee and wanted to hire social worker and.
[10:52] Who's that to Administration into the board and then to the city is where a city agency to create that
with that being said at the city initially said you can try this for two years we'll see what happens when not really sure the library needs this
once I came in we started seeing how we can make some change they made my position permanent within a year and we added a second social worker at that time
so the city bought in pretty quickly
most of our board did as well but some of our board members as well as some of our staff members were really unsure at first there was a lot of concern about Mission creep
and you know, that whole idea if you build it they will come for you bring Social Services into the building you're inviting more people in and what we've learned is that isn't true people are already there
we've increased staff on the team we have a lot more contact with people we have that you know we measure that but
these are people that are just now coming to the library because they heard there are social workers are these are people who are coming to the library anyway you just didn't know that they had those meat.
[11:56] So demonstrating that and explaining that And discussing that with our staff is really important in in our board and and other community members you might question this
because it it dispels some of those myths
and you know I kind of explain it as you know the libraries is public space if you imagine the public and you put like four walls around it at the library or just really what we have inside our walls
is just you know like a sample an example of what's happening in our community so we really have this unique place within the library to identify what those needs are
in the community that we might not be able to recognize another ways in that can help inform policy and in and things like that.
[12:40] In addition we had a lot of concern around this when we started having an increase in opioid overdoses in our library a couple of years ago with the Holt the opioid stuff going prices going on
and what we were able to do it that time is we started carrying Narcan in the library so we have
over three-fourths of our staff trained we have about total of 600 staff in our system has over 500 people are trained in how to use Narcan and you saved over 23 lives
realize that this point with Narcan from overdose and so we just really took that approach of like now we're going to we're going to make it change we're going to do something about this and just
really you know expressing that and intent of using the library is an example of what the rest of the community can do.
[13:29] Yeah it's just so interesting in the fact that you've got this harm reduction approach within a library and that you've gotten this buying
is is just so impressive you know you talked about some of the different specific populations you said immigrant and Refugee and there's some programming
could you describe what kind of programming exists like some specific
some details of the programming absolutely
it's really recognizing that a library is harm reduction we're helping reduce harm in many ways by helping people get out of the elements
Kumon use the phone get online McNeese connections all of these things are actually harm reduction within themselves so whenever that question comes up because we know harm reduction can be controversial
is like we're already doing it by existing there's no reason we shouldn't have narc and there's no reason we shouldn't have Sharps Containers in the bathroom
we shouldn't we should be collaborating with her syringe access programs to make sure people are connected as well as can I see people to healthcare and all of those things we just that just actually makes a lot of sense that the library is harm reduction
show with the programming for we actually have a program within the library called services to immigrants and refugees or store for shorts
if anyone likes acronyms more than social workers it's librarians.
[14:54] Language walking in the door and it's a really amazing stuff we have a lot of that the programme is run primarily by volunteers do miniyar
immigrants or even refugees themselves who have come to the to the United States and I'm are giving back to their community
and so it's a lot about having conversations in your language I'm working on your English skills and figuring out what those connections are in those resources sources are in your community to help support you and your family
what we learned within that over the last few years is we know that a lot of people to social people who might be undocumented.
[15:39] A little afraid to come in and say I'm having issues with my landlord because lots of things can happen as it is a result of sharing that and being afraid you're going to lose your housing
and so that's what we placed a social worker in their de squirts that programming
so people can have someone to talk to and we can bring an advocacy groups to help people and support them with that
we got a long ways to go in the in what we're doing and we're actually collaborating with an agency that supports that population to create a know your rights training so just to have people come in to know what their rights are
especially if I should show up or or other immigration concerns so we're doing a lot of that that work as well to help people feel
you know informed and empowered Indian in those in those situations
we also have we received a grant a couple of years ago and we've carried some of the programming on from this grant that we started with it so it's programme for people experiencing poverty and homelessness.
[16:41] As we have a hard times writing Workshop that we that we provide in collaboration with the lighthouse Writers Workshop here in town that does writing workshops
this program has been going on for almost three years and it's really incredible and it's it's so successful we're looking at starting three more groups
one that will be in our Denver City Jail and another one in Denver County and maybe even through the re-entry process from from Corrections
engage people in writing about their experiences and sharing that and what we've learned in the group we have is that it's really helping people build connections and heal
from from those experiences one of the women in that group just got published which is really great
and so we're looking at expanding that because it's been so successful in what we'll do with those
I'm glad another group at the library as well so if people come out of those those jail settings they can come in and carry on this work with the program in the library
and have that connection with the instructor with a peer Navigator and the in there in the people they've matched to build those bridges in those those relationships
another program we do is our coffee connections
are different libraries around the country they do a coffee and conversation so with this is our version of that where we have different staff
post coffee and donuts once a month for people experiencing adverse life challenges basically so people come in faster than coffee.
[18:07] And donuts so we're serving people and we have arts and crafts so people have something to do with their hands while they're trying to make conversation because people feel more comfortable with that.
[18:19] Hammer building those relationships in that has helped cut about your question before of you know our some staff concerned about this or has it been you know as everyone had buy into this
and there have Bruce staff especially those who are not public facing
you were really you know it's felt uneasy around people experiencing homelessness or having different experiences from their own and what this is done is build those relationships between the staff and the customers and his actually helps with that a lot as well
that's an example of some of our programming it's so inspiring you know cuz when you create something and you.
[18:56] There was that initial buying and then you had you said you know the city basically said we're going to see how this goes but then within a year they already made their decision
was there data that you had am assuming there's date there was some data there were some numbers that you had to report to them to get that decision made what
what kind was that just for people who are listening that want to do something like this question I'm not even sure because I actually asked us for the numbers at that time they were there just recognized that we are having some impact.
[19:29] When they looked at creating this position they were also thinking about
how do we decrease 9-1-1 calls to the central library because there were a lot of those around customer Behavior
SMU no legal issues and things like that so you know where security team is doing the best that they that they were trained to do in responding to these these issues and
but they they're not social workers they don't know the resources you know they're their job is to make sure people are following the library used to policy
and getting them out if they're not so what we've been able to do and I think in that first year
what we did is really demonstrated like having Social Work Work really closely with our security team and doing some training with security
responding with security to those situations I've walked into more bathrooms to respond more security than I ever thought I ever would and I just helping to you know kind of.
[20:26] Role model and show that you know also with that trauma-informed piece that a lot of the people that we encounter
have experienced trauma and being able to just sit with someone and say you know I know you're having a bad day let's talk about it for a little bit
versus what you're doing is wrong you have to leave and go a long ways so just demonstrating that we didn't really have a decrease in 9-1-1 calls right away
but it was really we kind of started showing some trends of the reasons why we were calling 911 and why we weren't anymore
so is really more legal issues or you know medical emergencies and things like that and we continue to call for but for like behavior issues in in that kind of stuff we don't have to do that anymore we can work on that with the person
and so that was demonstrated
and you know other than that you know we do track the number of contacts that we that we make my first year at the library just little ol me doing some program development as well I had 434 contacts
meet with customers and in last year with it with you know for sure Navigators in three social workers we had about 6,000 contacts so
is demonstrating how great that needed and again it's not bringing more people in the need is already there and I think that's one of the reasons this took off.
[21:45] Yeah I mean it's truly that social work aspect of meeting people where they're at they were already there and you're
you're just putting people there that have the proper training and skills and knowledge to 2
yeah that's exactly it it just makes so much sense from a social work perspective and the people are already there and and what I've learned to is a lot of the people that are there
don't know that there are certain agencies or programs that can help them with the issue that they're facing until we talk to them about it
or they have systems trauma and I've tried so many times and and have been told no or things didn't work where you know whatever it was that happened is that you're trying to get the housing or or access mental health care that they just gave up
and so we can build that relationship and connection and it helped walk them through that in that process now.
[22:39] Yeah that's actually not I was thinking to you know just going to a library and having someone approached you is probably a lot less stigmatizing.
[22:49] Then you know
feeling like you've got to show up to a mental health clinic or a hospital so yeah it's absolutely much less stigmatizing
when walking into a you know what Clinic like you're staying also it's a little less intimidating
and maybe decrease some of the fear around that as well if you can just have a casual conversation with a library staff member
today maybe can connect you to someone that makes a big difference than walking into an agency and asking for help
where you don't know if you know how you're going to be greeted if you're going to be told you need to have an appointment
or what are you need certain paperwork or whatever it is we can work through that on the front end
and I'm help people feel safer and better about walking into those places in addition we really work with our partners on
having them come to the library for that first meeting with someone
yes I do feel safer there and they have that connection with us and so we we make that cuz they come to the library for that first interaction and then that person then knows them and then they can you not see them outside of the library.
[24:00] It's awesome that's great so just to kind of shift gears here I'm wondering you know what is the most challenging aspect of this work for you.
[24:10] I think you know it's interesting being a social worker our brains work a little bit different than library and Bray because her trained differently
and again I'm so sorry librarianship can come together and do some really great stuff
but it's a little you know it can be really challenging to be the one social worker in a room of 20 Librarians and their brains are all working this way
and I'm like why can't we just do this because you do and there's a lot of like analysis going on and in all of this and so sometimes you know things move a lot slower
then what we might be used to in a social service setting and that was certainly an adjustment for me
in addition what I really learned in this is part of librarians training shoe is they really want to know will tell me what to do I just want to know what to do
and so the answer of well everyone all humans are individuals is all very gray
it depends it depends on the situation is we always say
that's really hard for librarians to adjust to that so really what I've been saying a lot lately as I'm doing training with Librarians is we're giving you information
it's for you to take in this information and make informed decisions on your own with this like me can't tell you exactly how to handle every single situation.
[25:31] Because they're all different and when you think you've seen everything something will happen if everything so that's a little bit of a challenge in
and there are some you know trainings out there for libraries that really trying to try to answer that like will tell me what to do
as a social worker I can't really support that because it is very individual we don't want to put blanket statements over groups of people
another thing that can be really challenging is just just seeing the
social need in our communities where there are so many gaps in service and living in a community where housing is a really big issue and we're really behind in
in creating affordable housing options for for individuals and families and that's that's really frustrating and it can be hard
hard to deal with in just a friend.
[26:26] Even the way that different agencies like City agencies approach social issues in kind of email lumping them into 60 concerns
when they're really social issues or Public Public Health crisis
versus a safety issue so really you know what we can do to get into some of those rooms and have those conversations though so that helps but at some of the frustration
yeah you know when you're talking about the housing issue in
do you know right now I mean this episodes going to go live in a few months but this is February when we recording this and it's incredibly cold as you were saying
it's a life-or-death issue right I mean being homeless in Denver Colorado is
a life-or-death issue compared to maybe being homeless somewhere like where I am in Miami which it's still a very serious issue but the repercussions in Denver.
[27:20] Birdlife or not exactly and honestly like our weather isn't even as bad I can't even imagine you know what's going on in Michigan with this polar vortex in Chicago
another Nor'easter in the cities in areas where it is
you can't be outside and I've really been thinking a lot about people who are in house during this time but yeah we see a lot of
you know in the wintertime a lot of issues around frostbite and things like that and then in the summer it gets really warm here and we are at high altitudes people get tea high
dehydrated really quickly if they're new to town especially if you're not used to that in the inside like sun exposure is a really big deal as well.
[27:59] Wow there yeah there's you see it all there you really do it's it's pretty impressive.
[28:05] So I'm I was wondering how did you get into this work it how did you get into social work if you're comfortable you know saying anything
yeah when I was in college I started out as is a major in broadcast journalism I was going to be the anchor woman on the news
you know I remember being one of my journalism classes and we were we were writing a story about it was a made-up family but a family that had lost their home in a fire
and I remember thinking as I'm writing a story like I don't want to expose these people's trauma to the rest of the world I would actually rather like to get in there and help these people
and so I took the intro to Social Work class just to kind of see what it was about I was always interested interested in Psychology and such
and it clicked and I was like I don't make sense
that is awesome me where you know we didn't talk about emotions and there was some other stuff that the adverse experiences that happen
I now recognize that. That's part of why you know we all have our stuff that brings us to this work
I really had a desire to really work with people to work stressing substance use issues
add a little bit of that myself and had a lot of friends who you know really you know I was able to get some help and change some things in my life but I had friends who didn't and really wanted to to get in and help with that.
[29:30] So after I finished grad school I worked in an adolescent treatment program this was in Omaha Nebraska where I went to grad school
and then move to Denver and see in a couple of years after that after I got my clinical license in work for a homeless agency downtown
not really think you could ever work with the homeless population but sick will check it out it's a job to get me to Denver we'll see what happens
and I fell in love with the population and really enjoyed working with them and
and along the way started teaching at The Graduate School of Social Work at the University of Denver and really learned a lot about trauma and in teaching those courses and
and policy is well and and have a passion for for social policy change and all of that so my current position has really kind of launched into that which is nice.
[30:17] It's a great story on so many levels you know the personal aspects of it and you're right I mean most people that are in social work have some story to tell and I like asking people their stories because I think it's important that
it gives others await identify and relate you know I think.
[30:36] People who work for doing the work already or people who are thinking about getting into it or students were listening
and then the part about the class where you decided like I want to help this family I don't want to tell their that this is on the news
that's such an interest I've that's the first time I've heard a story like that so that's pretty cool
where you headed up on the news anyway so just for different reasons you know the times kind of flown here in terms of our conversation and
I just want to thank you so much for taking the time again to come on here and also for for doing the work in the community the work you're doing is phenomenal and it's inspiring a lot of people and I just keep hearing
more and more about Library social work and you know social work in libraries whatever the right terminology is.
[31:28] And you know you're you're like the go-to person
when when this comes up so just so appreciative that you came on here. Great life
and we're happy to help support anybody and anyway and thanks for asking I appreciate it.